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| dregad | paurl_ you there | 17:51 |
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| dregad | paulr_ | 17:52 |
| paulr_ | moo | 18:53 |
| * paulr_ pokes dregad | 18:53 | |
| dregad | hey | 18:53 |
| dregad | can you send me these patches by e-mail | 18:53 |
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| paulr_ | security ones? | 18:54 |
| dregad | yep | 18:54 |
| paulr_ | yes, it won't be tonight though | 18:54 |
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| paulr_ | as I need to sleep | 18:54 |
| dregad | me too actually | 18:54 |
| paulr_ | i literally just posted to your thing about timezones | 18:54 |
| paulr_ | i'll get back on that tomorrow/friday | 18:54 |
| dregad | was working on the xml thing | 18:54 |
| paulr_ | xml thing? | 18:54 |
| dregad | plugin | 18:55 |
| paulr_ | ahh | 18:55 |
| dregad | 17725 | 18:55 |
| paulr_ | is that the user asking if we could backport 1.3 stuff? | 18:55 |
| dregad | yes | 18:55 |
| dregad | found at least 2 bugs with the code in master | 18:55 |
| paulr_ | i've never really been that convinced about the xml plugin | 18:56 |
| dregad | so working on fixing that before considering backporting anything | 18:56 |
| paulr_ | or well | 18:56 |
| paulr_ | both the xml plugin + soap api are kinda like 'eww' for long term :) | 18:56 |
| dregad | maybe, but until then they are useful for their purposes | 18:57 |
| dregad | anyway | 18:57 |
| paulr_ | when I asked rombert about changing soap api to fix some multi-user/project issues and he basically implied 'scrap it' I was a bit surprised | 18:57 |
| paulr_ | anyway | 18:57 |
| paulr_ | timezones | 18:57 |
| paulr_ | i'm thinking we should just make simpler btw | 18:57 |
| paulr_ | and set it at install | 18:57 |
| paulr_ | at least, I do want to have a proper think about how we actually handling them | 18:58 |
| dregad | well my fix works quite well, i tested it extensively | 18:58 |
| paulr_ | a whole bunch of the code (as you identified also) is based on the fact PHP basically goes "you must set a timezone" | 18:58 |
| dregad | and it offers flexibility for those who set tz in php.ini and don't want to duplicate code | 18:58 |
| dregad | (i.e. leave default setting as '') | 18:58 |
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| dregad | also provides backwards compatibility | 18:59 |
| paulr_ | i'm not convinced about adding in UTC | 18:59 |
| dregad | i'm not adding it in - just using the PHP-returned default value | 18:59 |
| dregad | when nothing is set | 18:59 |
| paulr_ | in the selection list | 18:59 |
| dregad | oh that | 18:59 |
| paulr_ | basically | 19:00 |
| paulr_ | the reason you *need* to set a timezone in php.ini | 19:00 |
| dregad | it makes sense to have it because it's a valid value for $g_default_timezone | 19:00 |
| paulr_ | used to be to avoid hitting the erorr handler to work out if to display a warning | 19:00 |
| paulr_ | therefore you *need* php.ini or default_timezone to be set 100% of the time | 19:01 |
| dregad | right | 19:01 |
| dregad | but that CAN be set to UTC | 19:01 |
| paulr_ | the easiest way to do that is to ignore php.ini and ask users to specify what timezone they'd like to be the default | 19:01 |
| paulr_ | as part of install | 19:01 |
| dregad | so if it's not in the list, it will force selection of another value | 19:01 |
| paulr_ | and then we'd not need to worry about whether php.ini has it set or not etc as we'd always have it set | 19:02 |
| paulr_ | which *might* make the logic simpler | 19:02 |
| paulr_ | which is what i want to check out | 19:02 |
| dregad | that is no justification for not having UTC in the list | 19:02 |
| dregad | and my approach provides full flexibility for negligible overhead (1 if statement) | 19:03 |
| paulr_ | the reason for not having UTC in the list would be that everything is based around where in the world someone is | 19:03 |
| paulr_ | if you really wanted UTC could always set rejkavek in iceland | 19:03 |
| dregad | still an admin might want the default to be UTC | 19:03 |
| dregad | not the same thing... | 19:03 |
| paulr_ | as iceland doesn't do daylight savings time and is +0 hours | 19:03 |
| dregad | that's just happenstance | 19:04 |
| dregad | if I want my server to be on UTC, I want that timezone do be displayed, not "Europe/Reykjavik" | 19:04 |
| dregad | anyway, it's too late for this kind of discussion | 19:05 |
| paulr_ | nodnod | 19:05 |
| dregad | i'd really appreciate if you could send these patches by friday night so i can close the loop | 19:05 |
| paulr_ | there was a point where PHP were saying not to use utc / gmt etc | 19:05 |
| dregad | hopefully next week | 19:05 |
| paulr_ | right | 19:05 |
| paulr_ | (although they've backtracked on the utc case) | 19:06 |
| paulr_ | anywa,y need sleepies | 19:06 |
| dregad | nite | 19:06 |
| paulr_ | boss goes on holiday on friday | 19:07 |
| paulr_ | microsoft support case is closed today | 19:07 |
| paulr_ | get free time now until end of motnh :) | 19:07 |
| dregad | i'm on vacation next week so hopefully i'll get some free time as well | 19:07 |
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